The Joe and Smith Podcast: Read the Book of Mormon with us

1 Nephi 12 I Want Mormon Rap, Not Mormon Doctrine

Smith leads off with a beautiful prayer. The garbage truck is busy in Joe’s neighborhood. Smith tells us a Tesla tale. A guy tried to run a speaker-selling scam on Smith at a gas station…twice. Joe reminisces about a pot edible inspiring a vengeance plot for Bindi Irwin. Smith asks a Beatles question and gets a long answer. The guys talk about accents and document forging. It’s an easy trail to follow after that- Mark Hoffman, Jared Hess, Jackie Chan, Tim and Eric- obviously. The guys go down a rabbit hole of former or dissident mormons (formons). 
Chan: 'Not Jackie Chan' | Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Adult Swim https://youtu.be/WN71h43iR6U
 
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1 Nephi 11 The Spirit's Got ADHD

Joe and Smith sometimes ask each other questions to which they already know the answer. More Utah municipality talk. Smith is feeling a bit off and tries to re-center himself with a calming rendition of Cotton-eye Joe. The guys play a round of finger, mercenary, kiss with Nolan Batman villains, and then another round of candlelight dinner, church dance, eternal marriage with characters from The (Diggery) Batman. The guys surmise that the Joker would not be a very loyal Tenenbaum. Why does it feel so good to feel bad? It’s so comforting sometimes. Joe recommendation: American Crime Story: Impeachment. Bane reads us a quote from Dallin Oaks about apologies. Joe Smith was a fast-talker, an artist of misdirection. 4’33” is a composition by experimental composer John Cage. Link below to EV’s karaoke version of it. 
Smith starts out by accidentally reading the wrong chapter, that’s just extra blessings. This chapter of the BOM starts with an angel appearing to Nephi and showing him all sorts of visions. Who is the best Scrooge? Michael Cain? George C. Scott? Bill Murray? Joe goes in-depth to explain the condensation of God. Smith channels his inner 12-year-old for a pretty jizzy interpretation of the vision of the tree of life. A dog at Smith’s house says hello from a different room. Smith tells us a mission story about having to use his Priesthood authority to cast out EFY music. He shares his opinion on the LDS practice of having youth participate in a trek (pioneer LARP-ing). Smith gets so worked up talking about the trek that he needed to end the episode in anger, which is something experts advise against. 
Holopaw - Dirty Boots https://youtu.be/VbS58eESOFQ
 
John Cage 4'33" Karaoke https://youtu.be/md_SCDozcAY
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1 Nephi 10 John The Go**mn F***ing Baptist

Joe and Smith open with an excerpt from a sacred children’s hymn. It really leans into the minor key. The guys are still figuring out their best audio setups, thanks for your patience. Joe asks Smith about his knowledge on the triple M, and then Joe (poorly) recalls what he read about it on the wikipedia page for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Joe misremembers a Kids in the Hall sketch (it was Bruce, not Dave). Smith was gifted a box of electronics from before the turn of the century. Joe accidentally gets Smith to talk about Michael Crichton again. See youtube links to Kirk and Spock below. Should we do an ep from the lava tube in Flagstaff? Nephi is very specific in his prophecies regarding things to come. Even Samuel the Lamanite wasn’t able to (spoiler) give a specific year of Jesus’ birth, so Nephi is pretty impressive prophet-wise. 
Kids in the Hall: The Long Note https://youtu.be/OYiJabhVST8 
William Shatner "Sings" 'Rocket Man' 1978 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wI4jMxveyI 
Leonard Nimoy: The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC35cQKHwzg
 
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1 Nephi 09 There's a Lot of Sh*t That's Gone Down That God Hasn't Stopped

Smith wastes no time getting into some durian talk. His brother was sprayed by a skunk in his childhood and Joe had a close encounter in Strawberry, AZ. They make a quick visit to the corrections department about men getting sealed to other men. Joe has never seen a “live session” of the temple ceremony so Smith conducts a worthiness interview to see if Joe can get into the temple. Joe and Smith can’t stop talking about how much they love each other. The guys try to use Paul F. Tompkins as their spiritual guide for avoiding potty humor, but sometimes they still offend the spirit. What is the name of the plates this time? There are two of them this time and they’re both named Nephi for anyone keeping track. Smith brings up Top Gear again, but this time it is Harry Potter-related. Bane shows up to read us some pretty terrible quotes from Brigham Young’s journal of discourses. It’s hard to tell who is better at being a villain, and one of them isn’t even real. The guys try to convince themselves to do a deeper dive on brother Brigham on a bonus episode, but it sounds like a lot of heartache. 
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1 Nephi 08 The Tree of F***ing Life

Quick head’s up on the technical side: the audio dropped out for a few minutes while recording so you will hear that happen toward the end of the episode.
Smith lets us know that he is in fact not affiliated with the grocery chain with the same name. The guys share a couple of cold stories. How many actors in the Matrix (1999) can Smith name? Tortoises and turtles are precious in his sight. Listener submitted UT dispensary names. How many Utah towns can you name? Smith had a classic MDM: Mother’s Day Mishap. LDS sacrament used to use wine to represent the blood of Christ, but now uses water. It’s quite the reversal of one of the miracles for which Jesus was most known. 
Lehi had a vision. It’s kind of boring, but God loves Boring. Lehi eats some delicious fruit that may be as delicious as durian is for Smith. Better numbers equals better missionary, better missionary equals better living conditions. Doesn’t it seem like more mocking comes from people on the path than from people in the great and spacious building? When did the tree of life vision get so boring? Shout out to Peter Bleakley’s idea that current church leadership is pretty similar to the Pharisees from the New Testament. Smith feels like there is an ‘emperor's new clothes’ element to appreciating the temple ceremony.  
 
Peter Bleakley’s podcast is Mormon Civil War and can be found at: https://www.mormoncivilwar.com/
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1 Nephi 07 You Can Summon Turtles, Oh Sh**

Joe has some technical issues with his audio on this episode. If you are an audiophile, Joe’s audio is going to drive you crazy. It may be worth skipping, but you may lose out on building your testimony. Joe and Smith strive to be your number one source for information on the heights of the hosts from the British TV show Top Gear. Smith returns and reports on the Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent (2022). Joe does the same with Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat (1999), which was fabulous. The guys talk about how they still find themselves defending the church sometimes. They also point out how their criticisms of the church are likely not as strong as someone who is an expert in that sort of thing. Joe and Smith used to believe (and teach) that the church was run by an unpaid “lay” ministry, but they later found out that was not true. The guys pitch each other some ideas for Utah MMJ dispensary names. 
1 Nephi Chapter 7 casually mentions a guy named Ishmael as if we’ve known about him the whole time. One fact about Ishmael is that he was a fan of breakdancing. Nephi gets preachy with his brothers. He really comes off as a dickhead in this chapter, unfortunately empowering faithful dickheads all over the church. Was Laban’s murder the origin story of Nephi as a supervillain? Smith remembers a time that he summoned a turtle, this time from his childhood. 
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1 Nephi 05 and 06 May or May Not Have Been Under the Influence of Some Medical Marijuana

Joe and Smith discuss being respectful to faithful members of the church. They acknowledge that a lot of their criticism is from similar personal experiences in the church left them with a sense of chronic shame. Like many systems, the church seems to benefit those at the top while failing to deliver on the promise of benefits for all. The guys respect their pioneer heritage and the suffering and sacrifices that went along with life in those times. The guys pull the plug on the ‘and it came to pass’ drinking game. Joe uses the commitment pattern to invite Smith unto watching a 2022 Nicolas Cage movie. Other movie assignments include, Being John Malkovich (1999), Westworld (1973), The Last Temptation of Christ (1988), Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat (1999). Smith is a fan of the boy who lived, but not on the silver screen? It turns out that the guys know embarrassingly few lyrics to Baby Got Back. Also, The Violent Femmes are from Milwaukee.  
They read and discuss 1 Nephi Chapters 5 and 6. Third grade Smith got busted for a crudely-drawn picture of a sister in Zion. How can the book be so boring after such an exciting beheading chapter? The Book of Mormon is written not to be pleasing unto man, but unto God. Smith tells us about a personal experience when church members felt the spirit very strongly from him while he was on medical marijuana. Is the church moving away from the OG depictions of Christ from our childhoods?
 
Del Parson picture of Christ- https://deseretbook.com/p/christ-red-robe-16x22-framed-print-del-parson-74587
Russel M Nelson Divine Love  “divine love…cannot correctly be characterized as unconditional” https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2003/02/divine-love?lang=eng&adobe_mc_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.churchofjesuschrist.org%2Fstudy%2Fensign%2F2003%2F02%2Fdivine-love%3Flang%3Deng&adobe_mc_sdid=SDID%3D5398AB9BA629B12E-5790299054E90DEA%7CMCORGID%3D66C5485451E56AAE0A490D45%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1652217199
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1 Nephi 04 We've Got a Headless Laban

Smith learns what a hangover feels like and may regain his testimony of the Word of Wisdom. Are ambulances the only vehicles that can have a backwards font on their bonnets? Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. The guys explain the timeline of the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, which are separated by the birth of one Elvis Aaron Presley. Smith had a goth friend in elementary school who may have given him real blood for a Halloween costume. The guys tease more info to come about temples and review some of the requirements to actually go inside. To Joe’s utter delight, Smith drops a little Regan in verse 3. The guys try to get to the bottom of whether or not Laban’s murder is a good idea- they’re leaning toward no if it’s for scripture, but yes if it’s for Hollywood. Smith recalls a pretty effective missionary door approach from his mission days. Zoram is super into talking about the elders of the Jews as evidenced by verses 22 and 27. Remember who you are and what you stand for. 
Mormon Rap- https://youtu.be/4TeV8yp8ALM
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1 Nephi 03 We Just Kinda Like to Jerk You Around a Little Bit

Neither Smith nor Joe has seen The Last Temptation of Christ (1988). Joe talks about some of the obsession with sex in the church, and how marriage was looked at like checking a box. Smith talks about some of the overt racism in the early church and refers listeners back to the CES letter for better info (see link below). Joe asserts that BY was a bad enough guy that the university should be renamed. Smith reads a quote from Mark Twain that the BOM is “chloroform in print”. Smith brings up a Michael Crichton quote about the crazy-looking tabernacle. 
The guys wish they could not feel bad about anything. Smith notes that the “choice” in the BOM so far is to either be disobedient and die, or to be obedient and rich. Joe makes sure to bring up that REM’s Murmur album was named Rolling Stone's Best Album of 1983. Joe pitches the idea of changing the name of the podcast to Everything is Fetch. The guys express their dislike of the use of that word as a swear. Lamen has an awkward conversation with the Lord. 
The angel has an awkward conversation with L&L about making Nephi a leader over them. Joe points out that this gives an argument to people who want to claim some moral authority over reason in the name of some unseen righteous authority. Smith points out that God may just be on mute and he doesn’t realize it. Joe recommends S12E17 of Southpark which gives a pretty accurate depiction of the translation of the BOM. Smith reminds us that the temple ceremony used to contain penalties for breaking promises, like medieval penalties. 
Section of CES letter about ban on black men to have the priesthood https://read.cesletter.org/prophets/#blacks-ban
Mark Twain on the Mormons
https://twain.lib.virginia.edu/roughingit/map/rimormon6.html
The Dollop 132 - THE BONE WARS https://allthingscomedy.com/podcasts/132---the-bone-wars
Wikipedia page for REM’s Murmur album https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murmur_(album)  
Stephen Paul Taylor Everybody knows shit's fucked https://youtu.be/xJ7JseIxgX4?t=57 
Wikipedia page for Southpark episode “All about Mormons” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_About_Mormons 
Mormon stories Podcast. 005: MASONRY AND MORMONISM, AN INTERVIEW WITH GREG KEARNEY  https://mormonstories.org/podcast/mormon-stories-podcast-005-masonry-and-mormonism-and-interview-with-greg-kearney/ 
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1 Nephi 02 That's his Currency

Joe starts off with an apology for what he remembers of his behavior in the previous episode.  Joe and Smith discuss the film Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022). The guys talk about growing up in the church and feeling like love was a conditional thing. Smith has a challenge to find a passage in the BOM that expresses unconditional love without strings attached. The guys remind the listener of their own ignorance on pretty much everything. Joe and Smith talk about their relationship with the media and their devices. Joe accuses Smith of being preachy about it. Neither of the guys have seen Hacksaw Ridge (2016). Afghan is the correct term for the people as it turns out. Smith isn’t proud of some of his past political beliefs and preemptively apologizes for any slips of his ignorance while talking, Joe agrees in spirit. 
Joe brings up the victim mentality that tends to come up in the church. Smith asks Joe about comparing his kids to geologic formations like Lehi does in this chapter. Smith notices the lack of unconditional love coming from Lehi to his sons. Lehi seems pretty passive aggressive and it’s rewarded. Nephi is a big kid, like Dudley Dursley? Joe notices that JS brings his value for wanting to have financial gain into this chapter. This chapter brings up a curse from the Lord, and the guys lament the fact that HP used one of the unforgivable curses in anger. 
 
Behind the Bastards on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-bastards/id1373812661 
 
Afghan / Afghani https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/16/afghan-afghani/ 
 
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